i wouldn't be against trying Nidalee at support. She does have a supportish kinda kit. Thats why i had mentioned i was gonna start playing some Lux support. Since the last few times i've played its been ranked i haven't brought her out yet. Next normal game we play i will give her a go. And i will look into playing Nidalee too.Leisher wrote:-I like Nidalee support. So much that I think Stranger should think about her too. She's got a heal, traps to very poorly ward and slow, escapability, and a mega shot harass.
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We started at their blue, which is awesome. I like it. But I took damage, and I didn't get the last hit, which means I got no experience for it, so I am starting my jungling with a deficit.
I agree with you on this one. You should have gotten that first blue, then when you hit your blue, called your mid over to grab the kill on that...or kept that one yourself too, because the laners are used to being without it.
- I went right to my red where we normally start, and I didn't have much of a leash because most peeps just went to their lanes, so I took more damage and had more of a deficit.
I was with you at your red. Wasn't Cake with us too?
She was always right there when our shit respawned, and killed me right as I killed the red or blue.
That message was not relayed well. I heard about problems you were having in the jungle, but that specifically was never said. I would think such an on the clock schedule would mean we could ambush her.
Two things here:
1. I think you should have tried counter jungling her. If she's in your jungle, then hers is wide open.
2. Go gank the fuck out of lanes. If you're getting kills, while she's dicking around in the jungle, her team is going to start bitching at her. You don't even need to kill peeps, just get them to recall and put their farm and turret in danger.
3. Hard push a lane. Join someone and hard push a lane to kill the turret. Preferably someone way ahead of their lane opponent or someone way behind.
The point is that she can't be everywhere at once. You've got to quickly figure out what needs to be done to correct the issue, and do it. It may be wrong, but you did SOMETHING.
Don't worry about how you normally have just this much to do the next spawn and yada yada. That's the sort of thing we're trying to learn. What happens when our pattern breaks? What about our build should we game this game to match what the enemy team is bringing? We've got to be adaptable.
And just FYI, if Cake and I were dominating that lane, we'd be more available to run to help you in the jungle. Ditto for mid and I guess top. So that didn't help matters, and that was our fault. However, you can't count on that. We can't lose our farm and turret safety to bail you out or that sets not just you, but the whole team behind. Thus, my pitch that we adapt and find a better option like the three I listed.
i wouldn't be against trying Nidalee at support. She does have a supportish kinda kit. Thats why i had mentioned i was gonna start playing some Lux support. Since the last few times i've played its been ranked i haven't brought her out yet. Next normal game we play i will give her a go. And i will look into playing Nidalee too.
Lux and Nid are cool with me. Lux has a lot more harass, but Nid has a great kit.
Let's talk Theo...
Do you guys think his game has dropped because he doesn't give a shit about our team since he figures we're not going pro or because Scooty is getting more playing time than him or because we've been moving him mid? He hates mid. Every night we play he talks about top.
What if, since Stranger is out tonight, we appease him a bit and I'll go mid with Teemo, Scooty can run backup ADC, Cake can support (they're in the same room so they can communicate easily since nobody in the world makes microphones anymore...), and Gordo can jungle.
Teemo mid will allow me to "ward" jungle a bit more to help Gordo out and Theo will be able to run wild up top.
Thoughts?
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
In other news, Replays are now in beta on the PBE!!!
Patch today.
Also Gordo, Nasus got buffed today. Is he a viable jungle?
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Patch today.
Also Gordo, Nasus got buffed today. Is he a viable jungle?
Edited By Leisher on 1360879000
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
It's in that patch link.
Scooty, there's this thing called a job. They will pay you money to do things. You should look into it. Ya bum.
Scooty, there's this thing called a job. They will pay you money to do things. You should look into it. Ya bum.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
Fuck jobs, avoid them as long as possible. Employment = failure.Leisher wrote:Scooty, there's this thing called a job. They will pay you money to do things. You should look into it. Ya bum.
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Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
I think Theo's game play has gone down because he just doesn't care any more. Laughs when he dies and when we lose instead of trying harder. As I've said. At first, he played well to make a good impression. Now he's burping in voice (which I find highly annoying), laughs when he dies, does really dumb things, etc. His discipline is completely gone. I don't think it's payback for Scooty playing or having to play mid. He just figures he's an automatic invite and is just playing casually now.
Nothing is more annoying than someone messing up how you want to play your game. As in, counter jungling. You know how many health pots it takes to clear the jungle X number of times, what order to do things, how much money you have when you go back, that you can kill this spawn even though you only have 200hp, etc. When an enemy pokes their heads in there, you are fucked up, pissed and then start doing dumb things to catch up. I know. I've been there. You have to jungle just like you lane. If you are low health, you go back. Pull your spawns into the bushes so the enemy can't run into them, stand there and watch you fight the spawn, then jump you when you are at your weakest. There are LOTS of things you can do to counter a counter. You'll learn them. Quitting won't teach you though.
Does Nasus have a gap closer? Running out of the bushes may not cut it. Jarvin IV has shown good things out of the jungle though. Has a gap closer and that arena thing.
Nothing is more annoying than someone messing up how you want to play your game. As in, counter jungling. You know how many health pots it takes to clear the jungle X number of times, what order to do things, how much money you have when you go back, that you can kill this spawn even though you only have 200hp, etc. When an enemy pokes their heads in there, you are fucked up, pissed and then start doing dumb things to catch up. I know. I've been there. You have to jungle just like you lane. If you are low health, you go back. Pull your spawns into the bushes so the enemy can't run into them, stand there and watch you fight the spawn, then jump you when you are at your weakest. There are LOTS of things you can do to counter a counter. You'll learn them. Quitting won't teach you though.
Does Nasus have a gap closer? Running out of the bushes may not cut it. Jarvin IV has shown good things out of the jungle though. Has a gap closer and that arena thing.
I've been contemplating all day about how to be an aggressive counter jungler... living in their jungle instead of trying to clear mine hoping they aren't in it.Cakedaddy wrote:Nothing is more annoying than someone messing up how you want to play your game. As in, counter jungling.
I figure this:
- I first noticed Shyvanna in our jungle after the first time through... so, about 5 minutes in, she started hitting our jungle.
- She was a lot more powerful than me at 5 minutes in. I engaged her 1v1 with GP, both of us about level 3, I was fully healed with pots and AD runes and masteries. Only got her to about 40% health before she killed me. Probably just a difference in characters, since I believe GP is much more powerful built at 18.
- They runed the fuck out of everything, and responded to every challenge as a team. When I tried to hit Syvanna in the jungle, it almost always ended up being a 2v1. When I started laning with bottom, they had 3 peeps there immediately to counter.
- We never responded to her counter jungling, as a team, beyond switching places with me to try and be a better counter to her. By then, damage was done and I had fed her with at least 5 deaths.
I am going to have to watch the replay to see how she did it. I'd like to do that in the future. We only see heavy counter jungling once in approx every 6 games, so if I got to be a good counter jungler I think we could fuck their shit.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Just watched the replay.
Her build was Wriggles Lantern, the shoes with +25 resist, then the axe that has a bunch of lifesteal, then frozen mallet. Game was over soon after that.
I first saw her in my jungle at 7:30. She killed me right after i got red, bumped into her as she finished off my wraiths and I was half health.
Her build was Wriggles Lantern, the shoes with +25 resist, then the axe that has a bunch of lifesteal, then frozen mallet. Game was over soon after that.
I first saw her in my jungle at 7:30. She killed me right after i got red, bumped into her as she finished off my wraiths and I was half health.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
I would disagree with that. The problem is we've got too many tops, and not enough people willing to go elsewhere.GORDON wrote:Since no one wants Singed at top any more, that is.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
That's how most orgies go bad.Leisher wrote:I would disagree with that. The problem is we've got too many tops, and not enough people willing to go elsewhere.GORDON wrote:Since no one wants Singed at top any more, that is.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
So, Nidalee support. . . I'm feeding my spear early instead of my heals. Is that working out? It did well the last game, but we got zoned out the second to last game. But, I don't think that had anything to do with spear over heal. . . I guess I'm asking, which do you prefer, big spears, or big heals?
I'm learning to use her Cougar form more too. I have to work on dumping my spells right before changing though for maximum effectiveness.
I'm learning to use her Cougar form more too. I have to work on dumping my spells right before changing though for maximum effectiveness.
That's how most orgies go bad.
That's funny.
Yep, we officially have too many tops. Theo is starting to straight up feed mid so he can go back top. He had a good last game, but that doesn't totally redeem all the games we've lost because of him.
Yeah, I don't know what happened that Anivia game. We were about even at bot, and then all of a sudden Anivia shows up fed as hell dropping her, not at all OP, ult every 6 seconds (actual CD).
That Soraka/Thresh bot was interesting and good to start, but we started out damaging them pretty quickly.
So, Nidalee support. . . I'm feeding my spear early instead of my heals. Is that working out? It did well the last game, but we got zoned out the second to last game. But, I don't think that had anything to do with spear over heal. . . I guess I'm asking, which do you prefer, big spears, or big heals?
Big spears. The heal is nice, but I have pots. Those spears were making it hard for the enemy to harass.
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"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
I've got a job thank you very much :p But if I can't even afford to buy my girlfriend flowers for Valentines Day, I don't think I can drop bank to buy a nice headset either hehehLeisher wrote:Scooty, there's this thing called a job. They will pay you money to do things. You should look into it. Ya bum.