League of Legends - Trumped up Rock, Paper, Scissors
That sucks.
Well, long story short, you guys shouldn't have been there, nor should you have engaged.
Well, long story short, you guys shouldn't have been there, nor should you have engaged.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
<s>We were there and I was getting it done. </s>
Tired of this conversation.
Looks like there is a LOL Replay patch that came out today, so everybody who wants it, grab it.
http://www.leaguereplays.com/download_latest/
Edited By GORDON on 1360775731
Tired of this conversation.
Looks like there is a LOL Replay patch that came out today, so everybody who wants it, grab it.
http://www.leaguereplays.com/download_latest/
Edited By GORDON on 1360775731
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Good! i wasn't able to watch any of my recordings either.GORDON wrote:Looks like there is a LOL Replay patch that came out today, so everybody who wants it, grab it.
http://www.leaguereplays.com/download_latest/
WORLD CHAMPIONS!!
Our strength as a team is our ability to communicate. It is unmatched and why we keep winning.GORDON wrote:<s>We were there and I was getting it done. </s>
Tired of this conversation.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
LoL replay was fixed, got mine up and running last night, along with the live stream which I posted up here for you guys to see. Now you can check in on my Top Lane progess to see who i'm training and critisize any of my builds/tactics....etc
Leisher I would be delighted to sit down and have a Teemo training session, I think there is a lot that both of us can learn from each other being we're both pretty much Teemo veterans at this point. My builds my be crazy, but that's only because I'm deviating from my normal run of the mill Teemo build, trying to find something that nobody has ever tried before that works. AD Teemo? Tried it, it sucked. This new damage over-time Teemo? Tried it, wasn't impressed. Seems I keep going right back to that strict AP Teemo build everytime, as it seems to be the most effective.
I'm not maining Teemo, as I've found out from playing nothing but ranked games now, you CAN'T main anybody in a ranked game. Either your main gets ban, countered, or picked by the enemey team before you can. Thats why i've been playing an extensive amount of Jax/Cho'Gath/Olaf/Teemo/Udyr, and am going to start reworking my Pantheon for top real soon. This way I can be sure that I have plenty of options for countering the enemy top lane.
I agree that we all need to have a roll, and stick to it. I'm the solo top, Tim is the carry, Ronnie is the support, Randy is the mid, and Steve is the Jungle. Pro's don't switch lanes, they have their lanes, and they stick to them. If one of the 5 players just mentioned is missing, we invite Theo and we play a normal draft pick, NOT ranked. Ranked should only be played when we have the entire team together, for maximum synergy. . .etc
I've been training with a buddy of mine recently, he just advanced to the Gold Division in Ranked, and has well over 1300 wins under his belt. Hes a VERY good player, and has asked that I not only setup the replays for him to start watching my games up top to break them down play by play to give me advice, but also asked that I stream our team games, which i've also done so that he can watch our games live, giving us pointers and such while playing (basically what Randy was doing last night, minus the chips, and plus a ton more experience in all aspects of the game (Champions/lanes/roles/strategies...etc))
He can be in Voice chat if you like while watching our live stream, or, I can have him watch, and just message me after to give pointers and advice and such. What do you guys think? He'll be watching the live feed regardless, I'm just simply asking if you guys want advice from him aswell, or if I should just keep this between myself and him.
Thats about all I can think of for right now. . .
Edited By Trooper on 1360791357
Leisher I would be delighted to sit down and have a Teemo training session, I think there is a lot that both of us can learn from each other being we're both pretty much Teemo veterans at this point. My builds my be crazy, but that's only because I'm deviating from my normal run of the mill Teemo build, trying to find something that nobody has ever tried before that works. AD Teemo? Tried it, it sucked. This new damage over-time Teemo? Tried it, wasn't impressed. Seems I keep going right back to that strict AP Teemo build everytime, as it seems to be the most effective.
I'm not maining Teemo, as I've found out from playing nothing but ranked games now, you CAN'T main anybody in a ranked game. Either your main gets ban, countered, or picked by the enemey team before you can. Thats why i've been playing an extensive amount of Jax/Cho'Gath/Olaf/Teemo/Udyr, and am going to start reworking my Pantheon for top real soon. This way I can be sure that I have plenty of options for countering the enemy top lane.
I agree that we all need to have a roll, and stick to it. I'm the solo top, Tim is the carry, Ronnie is the support, Randy is the mid, and Steve is the Jungle. Pro's don't switch lanes, they have their lanes, and they stick to them. If one of the 5 players just mentioned is missing, we invite Theo and we play a normal draft pick, NOT ranked. Ranked should only be played when we have the entire team together, for maximum synergy. . .etc
I've been training with a buddy of mine recently, he just advanced to the Gold Division in Ranked, and has well over 1300 wins under his belt. Hes a VERY good player, and has asked that I not only setup the replays for him to start watching my games up top to break them down play by play to give me advice, but also asked that I stream our team games, which i've also done so that he can watch our games live, giving us pointers and such while playing (basically what Randy was doing last night, minus the chips, and plus a ton more experience in all aspects of the game (Champions/lanes/roles/strategies...etc))
He can be in Voice chat if you like while watching our live stream, or, I can have him watch, and just message me after to give pointers and advice and such. What do you guys think? He'll be watching the live feed regardless, I'm just simply asking if you guys want advice from him aswell, or if I should just keep this between myself and him.
Thats about all I can think of for right now. . .
Edited By Trooper on 1360791357
I wouldn't mind having a gold player drop us tips.
Does anyone have some maps of SR that I can make notes on?
Does anyone have some maps of SR that I can make notes on?
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
SR Map for you sir, just click images after the little display ;D
First one in the images list should do it, just make sure when you click on it, don't visit the site, but click to view full image, then just right-click save as.
Edited By Trooper on 1360791779
First one in the images list should do it, just make sure when you click on it, don't visit the site, but click to view full image, then just right-click save as.
Edited By Trooper on 1360791779
Gordon and Scooty weren't scouting their jungle. There had been some split pushing happening after a fight and decided to join kennen at top. They found scarner, killed him, then shit hit the fan as they were able to respond to stuff happening better then we did. As is often the case. Our responses suck. They are either too slow, not coordinated, unwise, etc. One of the reasons why I've been getting away from a tanky jungle and going damage. SOOOO many times I'm chasing an enemy as a non-damage dealing Naut trying to eat away the last 10 hp of an enemy. Except, their health regen is greater than my damage output. Our team fighting, more often than not, is our undoing. Yes, there are plenty of games where we win team fights and then the game. But those are far fewer than the games we lose trying to do the same thing. We are smart, patient and disciplined. We should be out thinking our enemies because they can, more often than not, out fight us. There are plenty of teams we go against that are all squishy and kick our asses. The first game of the night, we had damn near the same team comp, and they surrendered early. There is rarely (never really) a game where I think "Damn, if we'd have had xchampx, we would have won that game". EVERY game we lose, I blame our tactics, our decisions, our lack of coordinated team play. Scooty was playing Teemo like he used to play ADC. Away from the fight because he didn't want to die. And like I said, either learn to play Teemo in the fight, or play a different champ. Not being a part of the team is not an option.
Gordon, someone died to a jungle gank because your spotter was eating chips. An active player didn't miss calling an MIA, the active players that got ganked died when they didn't see it coming and the spotter was eating chips. And actually, I was just watching Scooty lane. I was micro managing him instead of watching the board. Near the end of that game, I should have taken more of a leadership role. I should have been calling targets, etc. I kind of went into an info only mode. I should have been more active. Leisher, the big fight that you lost after declaring that you only fight under turrets happened at the baron. Which in my opinion was a good time to start a fight, but per our usual, it's execution was abysmal. The baron is just as good as any turret to give you an edge. But, everyone was split up, not everyone committed, and not everyone waited for the team to make a proper response. The correct call to challenge baron was made. The response was poor and some people hesitated. Those that didn't hesitate went in knowing the window for challenge was closing. One right call, two actions creating disaster. Our whole team was alive, the enemy was getting hit by baron, there is rarely a time when you don't engage under those circumstances. But it has to be swift and as a team. If either of those don't happen, you abort and give them baron.
After the last game, Theo pm'ed me and said "I think we need a new top". Kind of pissed me off. Not because he's talking about Scooty, but because that was just a dumb thing to say. His score was the same, if not worse by a couple of assist. There wasn't a single person on our team that did anything close to good that game. You could argue that I might have because I went 5/3/and some assist. But I was jungling and most of my kills came from cleaning up other fights that were already over. Which is how Scooty was getting all of his Teemo kills. Except when I did it, it was because I couldn't get to the fight fast enough. Not because I was avoiding the fight. Point is, if he wants to play top lane, then campaign for it by being a better top laner. Not by calling out someone else for sucking. Just found it fucked up that he felt the need to say something when he had damn near the exact same score and failed his lane just as hard. My response was "I think we need a new everything". That game completely failed. And it wasn't just top's fault. But all that being said, Theo is just getting worse and worse and worse. He constantly makes bad decisions trying to force a kill. It's uncommon for him to win his lane any more. When was the last time we saw a 15/5/12 game from him?
Leisher, I'd rather see you expand your carry choices as apposed to going support. I have multiple mid and jungle options. I can cross train into support. However, I don't think I can support the way Stranger does. I'd have to study him a lot more. Whenever I support, it's as a more pokey/damagey champ. Like Nidalee. I still take gold runes, buy wards, etc. But, I feed my spear, have no stun, etc. I can heal and help get a champ down to a basic hit from death, or secure a kill with a long spear shot. So, instead of you running the show and me just keeping you alive. We are more of a damage dealing team. Besides just not knowing the nuances of Stranger Support Style, most of the time I'm ADC in solo queue, it's with a more damaging support. So, that's the mode of play I'm used to. So, be aware. I've also supported as Naut. I pull them in, you hit them kind of thing. I can tank some damage with him as well to try to draw their fire and allow you to do more damage. But again, I can't ever secure the finish when you can't. So, ya.
Replay was broken with the season 3 patch. The devs know it, acknowledged it and imply they are working on it. I'm still recording with the hopes that when it's fixed, it will include a util that will fix the old replays.
Gordon, someone died to a jungle gank because your spotter was eating chips. An active player didn't miss calling an MIA, the active players that got ganked died when they didn't see it coming and the spotter was eating chips. And actually, I was just watching Scooty lane. I was micro managing him instead of watching the board. Near the end of that game, I should have taken more of a leadership role. I should have been calling targets, etc. I kind of went into an info only mode. I should have been more active. Leisher, the big fight that you lost after declaring that you only fight under turrets happened at the baron. Which in my opinion was a good time to start a fight, but per our usual, it's execution was abysmal. The baron is just as good as any turret to give you an edge. But, everyone was split up, not everyone committed, and not everyone waited for the team to make a proper response. The correct call to challenge baron was made. The response was poor and some people hesitated. Those that didn't hesitate went in knowing the window for challenge was closing. One right call, two actions creating disaster. Our whole team was alive, the enemy was getting hit by baron, there is rarely a time when you don't engage under those circumstances. But it has to be swift and as a team. If either of those don't happen, you abort and give them baron.
After the last game, Theo pm'ed me and said "I think we need a new top". Kind of pissed me off. Not because he's talking about Scooty, but because that was just a dumb thing to say. His score was the same, if not worse by a couple of assist. There wasn't a single person on our team that did anything close to good that game. You could argue that I might have because I went 5/3/and some assist. But I was jungling and most of my kills came from cleaning up other fights that were already over. Which is how Scooty was getting all of his Teemo kills. Except when I did it, it was because I couldn't get to the fight fast enough. Not because I was avoiding the fight. Point is, if he wants to play top lane, then campaign for it by being a better top laner. Not by calling out someone else for sucking. Just found it fucked up that he felt the need to say something when he had damn near the exact same score and failed his lane just as hard. My response was "I think we need a new everything". That game completely failed. And it wasn't just top's fault. But all that being said, Theo is just getting worse and worse and worse. He constantly makes bad decisions trying to force a kill. It's uncommon for him to win his lane any more. When was the last time we saw a 15/5/12 game from him?
Leisher, I'd rather see you expand your carry choices as apposed to going support. I have multiple mid and jungle options. I can cross train into support. However, I don't think I can support the way Stranger does. I'd have to study him a lot more. Whenever I support, it's as a more pokey/damagey champ. Like Nidalee. I still take gold runes, buy wards, etc. But, I feed my spear, have no stun, etc. I can heal and help get a champ down to a basic hit from death, or secure a kill with a long spear shot. So, instead of you running the show and me just keeping you alive. We are more of a damage dealing team. Besides just not knowing the nuances of Stranger Support Style, most of the time I'm ADC in solo queue, it's with a more damaging support. So, that's the mode of play I'm used to. So, be aware. I've also supported as Naut. I pull them in, you hit them kind of thing. I can tank some damage with him as well to try to draw their fire and allow you to do more damage. But again, I can't ever secure the finish when you can't. So, ya.
Replay was broken with the season 3 patch. The devs know it, acknowledged it and imply they are working on it. I'm still recording with the hopes that when it's fixed, it will include a util that will fix the old replays.
Last thing, for the record, my birds eye view of 'jungle gate' is:
Gordon and Scooty made the right call to join Kennen up top. They found Skarner. They made the right call killing him as it only took seconds. Then they should have continued top or fallen back. Falling back would have been my call. The entire game, the enemy team displayed excellent response skills. You guys had been losing encounters repeatedly. This was building up into another one. You should have only been fighting when you had a good advantage. A 4v5 isn't a good advantage that game against that team. Especially when skarner was the missing enemy. You never focused him anyway, so, he was pretty much a non issue. You were fighting their damage dealers who had been kicking your asses for the last 10 minutes. Once enemy contact was made, regrouping in a safe spot should have been a priority. You may have been doing damage to another one of them, but your whole team was out of possition and the enemy team responded perfectly by pinching you guys and cutting off anyone trying to provide support. Based on how the enemy responded, the position of all allies, etc. There was no way we won that fight. Hit and run should have been the strategy, not hit and stick around for the team fight. You guys had just gotten completely owned the last few and there was nothing that indicated this time would have been any different. Especially given the way our team was spread out.
Of course, this all happened in what, 15 seconds? Maybe 20? You made a call. A call all of us have made many times. Just saying, 20/20, it was the wrong call. That team fight would have ended exactly as the others had been. They had already been killing you guys, 5v4, under your turrets while Pantheon split pushed.
Gordon and Scooty made the right call to join Kennen up top. They found Skarner. They made the right call killing him as it only took seconds. Then they should have continued top or fallen back. Falling back would have been my call. The entire game, the enemy team displayed excellent response skills. You guys had been losing encounters repeatedly. This was building up into another one. You should have only been fighting when you had a good advantage. A 4v5 isn't a good advantage that game against that team. Especially when skarner was the missing enemy. You never focused him anyway, so, he was pretty much a non issue. You were fighting their damage dealers who had been kicking your asses for the last 10 minutes. Once enemy contact was made, regrouping in a safe spot should have been a priority. You may have been doing damage to another one of them, but your whole team was out of possition and the enemy team responded perfectly by pinching you guys and cutting off anyone trying to provide support. Based on how the enemy responded, the position of all allies, etc. There was no way we won that fight. Hit and run should have been the strategy, not hit and stick around for the team fight. You guys had just gotten completely owned the last few and there was nothing that indicated this time would have been any different. Especially given the way our team was spread out.
Of course, this all happened in what, 15 seconds? Maybe 20? You made a call. A call all of us have made many times. Just saying, 20/20, it was the wrong call. That team fight would have ended exactly as the others had been. They had already been killing you guys, 5v4, under your turrets while Pantheon split pushed.
Skarner was dead. Pantheon was dead, I know because he and I killed each other at the exact same time. If I had had help, I would have survived the fight then it was a 5v3 with a GP that had just gone shopping.
Everything else is speculation, but the above actually happened.
Everything else is speculation, but the above actually happened.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Have you considered changing either your birthday or the holiday?Stranger wrote:And i don't think i'll be on tonight cause its my birthday and its Valentine's day. So i guess i'll be spending the evening with my wife... Every year this day is a double whammy for me!
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Yeah, I wasn't ready until 9:30-10:00 because my kids were with their grandparents and didn't get home until late. Not sure what was going on in the Cake household that prevented our starting until 11.
I will be on tonight between 9-9:30, which is normal time.
Onto actual LoL conversations:
-We need to work on pathfinding. Even if they were cutting over to top, they took the worst route possible. Our team is composed of spice truck drivers from the original C&C...
-Pathfinding and positioning are our biggest problems. We keep putting ourselves into bad situations. Soooo many team fights are lost because we're running into fights trying to defend someone else who got caught out of position. If we can't fix pathfinding, and not getting caught way out of position, then as a team, we need to stop responding individually to those situations and getting picked off.
-I like Nidalee support. So much that I think Stranger should think about her too. She's got a heal, traps to very poorly ward and slow, escapability, and a mega shot harass.
-I had a bit of a curve getting used to Varus, but I'm starting to dig him. Everyone on the team needs to either listen for who I'm stunning or watch who my ult hits as they can do shit for about 2 seconds. That person is dead because if they're in range of my ult, then I can also drop a slow on them before they're able to escape. No champion in the game should be able to live through our attacks for that time period. Nearby champions will get stunned next as my ult moves to them.
-I think Gordo should save his ults for team fights and baron steals. And don't even drop it in the baron circle, drop it with baron on the edge, and the rest of your circle encompassing the entrace to baron where their squishies will be standing.
-More communication. We're still a bit weak on calling targets, and more importantly, intentions.
-Scooty needs to get a mic. Is there no Best Buy within 300 miles?
-Personally, I think we need to be more aggressive with a lead. Don't give them a chance to farm and come back. Basically, don't do what teams who let us get back into the game do.
I will be on tonight between 9-9:30, which is normal time.
Onto actual LoL conversations:
-We need to work on pathfinding. Even if they were cutting over to top, they took the worst route possible. Our team is composed of spice truck drivers from the original C&C...
-Pathfinding and positioning are our biggest problems. We keep putting ourselves into bad situations. Soooo many team fights are lost because we're running into fights trying to defend someone else who got caught out of position. If we can't fix pathfinding, and not getting caught way out of position, then as a team, we need to stop responding individually to those situations and getting picked off.
-I like Nidalee support. So much that I think Stranger should think about her too. She's got a heal, traps to very poorly ward and slow, escapability, and a mega shot harass.
-I had a bit of a curve getting used to Varus, but I'm starting to dig him. Everyone on the team needs to either listen for who I'm stunning or watch who my ult hits as they can do shit for about 2 seconds. That person is dead because if they're in range of my ult, then I can also drop a slow on them before they're able to escape. No champion in the game should be able to live through our attacks for that time period. Nearby champions will get stunned next as my ult moves to them.
-I think Gordo should save his ults for team fights and baron steals. And don't even drop it in the baron circle, drop it with baron on the edge, and the rest of your circle encompassing the entrace to baron where their squishies will be standing.
-More communication. We're still a bit weak on calling targets, and more importantly, intentions.
-Scooty needs to get a mic. Is there no Best Buy within 300 miles?
-Personally, I think we need to be more aggressive with a lead. Don't give them a chance to farm and come back. Basically, don't do what teams who let us get back into the game do.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
Because then we're including Theo, which means someone else is out.Trooper wrote:Why don't you guys just start without us? Whats wrong with that.
Are you volunteering to sit out so Theo can play? Didn't think so.
Are you saying one of us, who are all on on time should sit so you can play when you get on? Didn't think so.
Just be on earlier. Being on later also means fewer games. If the game isn't fun, let's move to other games that might get us to log on earlier...
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
So here's what happened to me that second fight:
- We started at their blue, which is awesome. I like it. But I took damage, and I didn't get the last hit, which means I got no experience for it, so I am starting my jungling with a deficit.
- I went right to my red where we normally start, and I didn't have much of a leash because most peeps just went to their lanes, so I took more damage and had more of a deficit.
- Typically at the end of my very first cut through the jungle I have JUST enough health w/potions to take the blue at level 2 which gets me to level 3 when I kill it... I couldn't get blue without going back to base first, which put me behind on leveling.
- I went to base and went back to get blue. I noticed one of my jungle spawns was missing. By the time I worked my way back down to red the first time it respawned, Shyvanna was already in our jungle and, as far as I can tell, stayed in our jungle. She was always right there when our shit respawned, and killed me right as I killed the red or blue.
- There was never a response for it. I wasn't making any money for wards because I was always dead. And I don't think wards would have helped, because even if we would see one and respond their whole team would show up.
So we just got soundly beaten, and I was never in the fight to begin with because of the way we started. It was honestly just one of those times I was 0/4/0 at 9 minutes and just wanted to quit.
Edited By GORDON on 1360875815
- We started at their blue, which is awesome. I like it. But I took damage, and I didn't get the last hit, which means I got no experience for it, so I am starting my jungling with a deficit.
- I went right to my red where we normally start, and I didn't have much of a leash because most peeps just went to their lanes, so I took more damage and had more of a deficit.
- Typically at the end of my very first cut through the jungle I have JUST enough health w/potions to take the blue at level 2 which gets me to level 3 when I kill it... I couldn't get blue without going back to base first, which put me behind on leveling.
- I went to base and went back to get blue. I noticed one of my jungle spawns was missing. By the time I worked my way back down to red the first time it respawned, Shyvanna was already in our jungle and, as far as I can tell, stayed in our jungle. She was always right there when our shit respawned, and killed me right as I killed the red or blue.
- There was never a response for it. I wasn't making any money for wards because I was always dead. And I don't think wards would have helped, because even if we would see one and respond their whole team would show up.
So we just got soundly beaten, and I was never in the fight to begin with because of the way we started. It was honestly just one of those times I was 0/4/0 at 9 minutes and just wanted to quit.
Edited By GORDON on 1360875815
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."