Guess it'd be interesting to see champions who are most successful, then individual player histories with those champions. Looks like there is no central way to do it.
But this place has some data
League of Legends - Trumped up Rock, Paper, Scissors
I would only want to look at the data from the successful teams... I don't have any idea who, if anyone, compiles that data.
I watched a couple high-level tournament games. During elimination/champion selection, the teams take turns choosing one/two champion(s) at a time, and the teams really do go one at a time and choose champions to counter the one that just got chosen on the other team, back and forth. It would be interesting to have an actual cheat-sheet.
I watched a couple high-level tournament games. During elimination/champion selection, the teams take turns choosing one/two champion(s) at a time, and the teams really do go one at a time and choose champions to counter the one that just got chosen on the other team, back and forth. It would be interesting to have an actual cheat-sheet.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
TT game we played after Leisher and Gordon left:
Lost to lack of team consistency. Olaf and Ziggs on bottom, Caitlyn up top. At one point, Olaf charged the two enemies under their turret when he was full health and they were both half. In my head, I instantly think "This is really bad and will not end well." But I try to provide support and follow behind him to do as much damage as I can because he's going to need it. Of course we both die and they both live. I ask what that was all about and he indicated that he was just going to go in there, hit her a couple of times and pull back. I had no idea that's what he was doing. I trusted that he knew Olaf could tank the turret and score the double kill and followed him in. Not knowing what Olaf does, how Stranger plays him, etc. I just went in blind. Turned out, I wasn't supposed to go at all.
Second, and last one of the game came when Caitlyn charged into all three very low health enemies. We were mid health as there had just been a fight that the enemy was falling back from. Since Ciatlyn was going in full speed and her hair on fire, I figured again, that she had something coming and I should follow to help finish the job. None of that happened, the enemies focused Cait, who was leading the charge, then focused me, then stun/slowed Olaf till he was dead. Then they went in and won the game. Once again, I followed Cait assuming that she had something going on that was going to make this bad move work out.
In both cases, had I had more experience with those two characters, those things would have turned out differently. I might know their abilities on paper, but in practice, I don't know them. And those are two instances where it turned out VERY bad for our team.
We could have won this game. The enemies were ahead in kills, but this was late game and we had been farming well. We had even recently killed their Nassus and killed two turrets because Fiora and Nid couldn't keep us off their turrets. Nassus was the one giving us trouble. When we eliminated him (which was possible when we played smart), we could make really good progress. But instead, we lost because one person made a bad choice, and the rest of the team followed him into the bad choice.
I understand that we are trying to introduce new champs and I support that. I'm just using this as an example of how it's not just about knowing a champs abilities. Our lack of experience playing WITH each other cost us the game. Not our lack of knowledge of what a champ's abilities are.
Scooty, you MUST stop switching champs so much. You played four different champs in four different games again last night. Not learning anything. I didn't mind Yi so much, because I've seen a handful of games with him. I was expecting Ren and Vlad last night but got Kennen, Yi, Cait and I don't even remember who you played first.
Leisher: Talk more. You complain a lot, but don't talk strategy, etc. I get the impression you are looking for your teammates to do more, but won't say what it is. Then I don't like to issue orders/targets to you because I'm afraid it's the wrong one and will make you more mad. So I stop talking. I can tell you are frustrated, but I don't know what about.
Gordon: I snapped because you mentioned your turret was getting hit. We were in the process of hitting their mid. Then you mentioned it again. Then one last time with "Yes, this is really happening" I interpreted that as, because no one was saving your turret that you thought we were ignoring you and you were pissed. So I snapped that we were in the middle of something and not ignoring you.
Right now, I think the cause for our losses is that we are introducing new champs and the lack of skill by the player and the lack of familiarity by teammates is putting us at a handicap. But, people still seem to be getting pissed when we lose. You people need to start voicing your frustrations instead of not saying anything all night and then just logging off. Nothing's going to change until we know what needs to be changed.
Lost to lack of team consistency. Olaf and Ziggs on bottom, Caitlyn up top. At one point, Olaf charged the two enemies under their turret when he was full health and they were both half. In my head, I instantly think "This is really bad and will not end well." But I try to provide support and follow behind him to do as much damage as I can because he's going to need it. Of course we both die and they both live. I ask what that was all about and he indicated that he was just going to go in there, hit her a couple of times and pull back. I had no idea that's what he was doing. I trusted that he knew Olaf could tank the turret and score the double kill and followed him in. Not knowing what Olaf does, how Stranger plays him, etc. I just went in blind. Turned out, I wasn't supposed to go at all.
Second, and last one of the game came when Caitlyn charged into all three very low health enemies. We were mid health as there had just been a fight that the enemy was falling back from. Since Ciatlyn was going in full speed and her hair on fire, I figured again, that she had something coming and I should follow to help finish the job. None of that happened, the enemies focused Cait, who was leading the charge, then focused me, then stun/slowed Olaf till he was dead. Then they went in and won the game. Once again, I followed Cait assuming that she had something going on that was going to make this bad move work out.
In both cases, had I had more experience with those two characters, those things would have turned out differently. I might know their abilities on paper, but in practice, I don't know them. And those are two instances where it turned out VERY bad for our team.
We could have won this game. The enemies were ahead in kills, but this was late game and we had been farming well. We had even recently killed their Nassus and killed two turrets because Fiora and Nid couldn't keep us off their turrets. Nassus was the one giving us trouble. When we eliminated him (which was possible when we played smart), we could make really good progress. But instead, we lost because one person made a bad choice, and the rest of the team followed him into the bad choice.
I understand that we are trying to introduce new champs and I support that. I'm just using this as an example of how it's not just about knowing a champs abilities. Our lack of experience playing WITH each other cost us the game. Not our lack of knowledge of what a champ's abilities are.
Scooty, you MUST stop switching champs so much. You played four different champs in four different games again last night. Not learning anything. I didn't mind Yi so much, because I've seen a handful of games with him. I was expecting Ren and Vlad last night but got Kennen, Yi, Cait and I don't even remember who you played first.
Leisher: Talk more. You complain a lot, but don't talk strategy, etc. I get the impression you are looking for your teammates to do more, but won't say what it is. Then I don't like to issue orders/targets to you because I'm afraid it's the wrong one and will make you more mad. So I stop talking. I can tell you are frustrated, but I don't know what about.
Gordon: I snapped because you mentioned your turret was getting hit. We were in the process of hitting their mid. Then you mentioned it again. Then one last time with "Yes, this is really happening" I interpreted that as, because no one was saving your turret that you thought we were ignoring you and you were pissed. So I snapped that we were in the middle of something and not ignoring you.
Right now, I think the cause for our losses is that we are introducing new champs and the lack of skill by the player and the lack of familiarity by teammates is putting us at a handicap. But, people still seem to be getting pissed when we lose. You people need to start voicing your frustrations instead of not saying anything all night and then just logging off. Nothing's going to change until we know what needs to be changed.
I saw that something was going on mid, but I was just rambling because I was really tired. You are bad and you should feel bad.Cakedaddy wrote:Gordon: I snapped because you mentioned your turret was getting hit. We were in the process of hitting their mid. Then you mentioned it again. Then one last time with "Yes, this is really happening" I interpreted that as, because no one was saving your turret that you thought we were ignoring you and you were pissed. So I snapped that we were in the middle of something and not ignoring you.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
And as for my input, I still think we are giving up waaaaay too many kills. I don't know what to do about it, but it destroys us. I think this is why it seems we start strong but then start getting hammered mid-game, and only come back late game if they allow us to farm minions in our base for about 20 minutes. It's because they farm us early and mid game, and get a big advantage in equipment.
Again, I don't know what the solution is.
Again, I don't know what the solution is.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Last TT game. Ren got shut down and then joined us in bottom lane. There was no communication from him as to what was happening, how we could have helped or anything. Jax got fed and then we lost. I noticed Nassus wasn't farming. His minion kill count was way too low. The beginning of the game, I was letting him take all the last hits, but I saw a lot of minions dying to our minions. So I started killing them. Not sure if I was shutting him out completely or not. Nothing was ever said, so I continued to farm minions.
No communication lost us that game. Plus Ren was way behind in levels/items and kept dying.
We were about to start another game but Scooty never picked a champ and Maokai was random picked for him. I asked him what was going on, he said "I don't know". Since that didn't tell me much and I saw another no communication game coming, I aborted and now we are playing bot games.
I'm trying Urgot.
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No communication lost us that game. Plus Ren was way behind in levels/items and kept dying.
We were about to start another game but Scooty never picked a champ and Maokai was random picked for him. I asked him what was going on, he said "I don't know". Since that didn't tell me much and I saw another no communication game coming, I aborted and now we are playing bot games.
I'm trying Urgot.
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No, I was doing ok. I was building up pretty well, I thought. My Q was up to.... I didn't look near the end of the game, but it was up there about to where it should be.
I am not being accusatory, but when Ren is there I NEVER get last hits.
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I am not being accusatory, but when Ren is there I NEVER get last hits.
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"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
I noticed at the end game screen your minion kill total was WAY below ours. Ren having high makes sense because he's at top alone. But I thought you should have had more. But it just didn't seem like you were going for them. I figured you didn't want to get to close to them. So I started lobbing my stuff in to get last hits so they weren't wasted. But mid to end game, I was farming them pretty heavily.
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And then proceeded to pretend quit, and then log back in to play without me. Your a couple of pricks you know that? I've spent alot of time deviating from my normal play style to better suite your shitty team, playing the same champion every game no matter how grinding it may be for me, and this is what i get? God knows it was a fantastic idea to put the renekton in top rather than the nasus, and further, shut up about the "no communication". As if telling you guys i'm losing top lane would have made a bit of difference. Whatever it doesn't matter, you guys are fucking pros. Don't change a thing, you should be able to win EVERY SINGLE GAME now that i'm gone, i bet you lost all of them too. So now i know, after spending sooooooo much money and time on this game that i showed all of you, i'm being forced off my own team, told how to play, and told its my fault every damn loss. No. Screw that shit, have fun playing by yourselves you insensitive communists.. By the way, i'm not sure if its just a stick crammed way up there, or if its indeed your heads, but your shit really does stink had you not noticed, so stop pretending you have the right to criticize everyone elses game and start worrying about your own. Good day and take me off this board please, Scooty will not have his name tarnished by your blasphemy.
Well, bye.Scooty Poof wrote:And then proceeded to pretend quit, and then log back in to play without me. Your a couple of pricks you know that? I've spent alot of time deviating from my normal play style to better suite your shitty team, playing the same champion every game no matter how grinding it may be for me, and this is what i get? God knows it was a fantastic idea to put the renekton in top rather than the nasus, and further, shut up about the "no communication". As if telling you guys i'm losing top lane would have made a bit of difference. Whatever it doesn't matter, you guys are fucking pros. Don't change a thing, you should be able to win EVERY SINGLE GAME now that i'm gone, i bet you lost all of them too. So now i know, after spending sooooooo much money and time on this game that i showed all of you, i'm being forced off my own team, told how to play, and told its my fault every damn loss. No. Screw that shit, have fun playing by yourselves you insensitive communists.. By the way, i'm not sure if its just a stick crammed way up there, or if its indeed your heads, but your shit really does stink had you not noticed, so stop pretending you have the right to criticize everyone elses game and start worrying about your own. Good day and take me off this board please, Scooty will not have his name tarnished by your blasphemy.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Urgot is pretty fun. He's got some pretty good range with him Q missile. Played two games with randoms. Didn't do great, but didn't do all that bad either. First game, I went heavy AD and light tank. Second game I went heavier tank. Both games ended up about the same. As in, when I initiated, I would die, but our team would score more kills. Second game we won though. So, maybe me staying alive longer helped my team do more damage before being focused themselves.
When I started playing him, I thought about how I'd be able to switch with people and stick them under my turret. Of course people were cautious enough to not let me do that. The best thing about my ult is it is an excellent initiator. If anyone gets in range, they are being put right in the middle of my entire team. But them, I'm in the middle of theirs. hehe I would attempt to fight from there but would get focused and killed. But, my team would capitalize on it and focus their squishies. We'd win most fights. I should have been swapping, then immediately falling back. Maybe. I might survive more, but would they stay focused on me so my team could hit them? Dunno. But it was cool being able to pick who I wanted out of the fight, switching places with them and my team chewing them up. It's like a Singed flip, except they are stunned for 1 to 2 seconds while the spell channels, then they are slowed way down after the switch. I have a whole bunch of armor after as well. You can tell when it's happening because there are arrows that show up between me and the target.
I have a decent early game harass with my long range Q and an awesome mid to late game initiator.
When I started playing him, I thought about how I'd be able to switch with people and stick them under my turret. Of course people were cautious enough to not let me do that. The best thing about my ult is it is an excellent initiator. If anyone gets in range, they are being put right in the middle of my entire team. But them, I'm in the middle of theirs. hehe I would attempt to fight from there but would get focused and killed. But, my team would capitalize on it and focus their squishies. We'd win most fights. I should have been swapping, then immediately falling back. Maybe. I might survive more, but would they stay focused on me so my team could hit them? Dunno. But it was cool being able to pick who I wanted out of the fight, switching places with them and my team chewing them up. It's like a Singed flip, except they are stunned for 1 to 2 seconds while the spell channels, then they are slowed way down after the switch. I have a whole bunch of armor after as well. You can tell when it's happening because there are arrows that show up between me and the target.
I have a decent early game harass with my long range Q and an awesome mid to late game initiator.
How feasible is it to think that with Singed and Urgot, Singed could post himself immediately behind Urgot, Urgot pulls the switch, Singed pulls the flip, and all of a sudden a bad guy is a screen away from his friends, and/or under our turret?
Meaning, how likely is it that we could practice and get that near 100% effectiveness?
Meaning, how likely is it that we could practice and get that near 100% effectiveness?
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
The only problem is, Urgot is then a screen away from HIS team! I'd rather initiate with the urgot switch, then you keep them in the middle of us with your flip as they are trying to run away. Or, you flip the next one in that tried to save their friend.
But with mine taking a second or two to channel, you'd have some reaction time to get into place. They enemy is locked down during channeling. Then after the switch, they are slowed some percentage for some time. So, you'd have time to react, then have a slowed target to flip. That you can then slow with your glue.
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But with mine taking a second or two to channel, you'd have some reaction time to get into place. They enemy is locked down during channeling. Then after the switch, they are slowed some percentage for some time. So, you'd have time to react, then have a slowed target to flip. That you can then slow with your glue.
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I think you would want to go heavy tank since you would be putting yourself into their group. They coulnd't help but attack you prolly, and as long as you can survive it the rest of the team can each pick a different champion to attack and get ALL of them down to 20% before they ace us.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
We have rarely ever lost when we're in our current configuration on TT, so what changes do we want to make? Do we do it one at a time or all three at once? (I'm thinking one or two at a time...)
Do we look for a new permanent 5th? Are we still too dysfunctional to try and seriously find a stranger in that role? Obviously, it'd be much better if Scooty swallowed his pride or if someone around here joined (Catt), but aren't SR games going to be a crap shoot with a random each game?
I've been thinking more about the whole champ select argument, and also roles. If you watch pro games, these guys aren't hitting random and getting into game. They're purposely selecting champions they do know, however Stranger is right that most of these teams have guys who play specific roles. So what trumps what? Wouldn't it make sense that a guy knows a role better than specific champs?
To your earlier posts:
1. I agree with Gordo that we die too much. We are WAY too aggressive. I think at this point we have to say that's us, but we need to figure out how to do that without dying as much.
2. I've been frustrated for a lot of reasons. Friday night's debacle didn't help. I'm used to us winning in TT and having a lot of team chemistry. In SR, it's a lot of inter-team fighting, lack of adjusting, etc. I think we need to consider ourselves as "starting over" and not worry so much about wins and loses on SR. Let's just work on teamwork, and learning champs. Stay positive. Find our fifth. The wins will come.
Do we look for a new permanent 5th? Are we still too dysfunctional to try and seriously find a stranger in that role? Obviously, it'd be much better if Scooty swallowed his pride or if someone around here joined (Catt), but aren't SR games going to be a crap shoot with a random each game?
I've been thinking more about the whole champ select argument, and also roles. If you watch pro games, these guys aren't hitting random and getting into game. They're purposely selecting champions they do know, however Stranger is right that most of these teams have guys who play specific roles. So what trumps what? Wouldn't it make sense that a guy knows a role better than specific champs?
To your earlier posts:
1. I agree with Gordo that we die too much. We are WAY too aggressive. I think at this point we have to say that's us, but we need to figure out how to do that without dying as much.
2. I've been frustrated for a lot of reasons. Friday night's debacle didn't help. I'm used to us winning in TT and having a lot of team chemistry. In SR, it's a lot of inter-team fighting, lack of adjusting, etc. I think we need to consider ourselves as "starting over" and not worry so much about wins and loses on SR. Let's just work on teamwork, and learning champs. Stay positive. Find our fifth. The wins will come.
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"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell