Rust - A thread for dying
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We got raided Sunday during the Super Bowl...fucking non-sports watching nerds...so we lost our foothold that we had established.
However, I do have the majority of BPs in the game, including C4 and had an incident occur that has sparked my interest in sticking around.
After the game I got on to find we have been raided and killed. Some guy named crazian-something was the one that killed me. No idea if he was with friends or not, but I assume so. Anyway, I'm naked and have nothing so I chop some wood and get a spear. I'm near the Water Treatment Plant, so I swing in and am hitting a barrel when I see a guy on the other side of one of those depressions. I watch him and he pulls out a gun and heads over to me. So I duck into the depression and when he comes over the top, I swing and hear a ting as my spear hits his armor. He shoots and kills me.
No big deal, shit like that happens all the time and I had nothing on me, so I have no ill will. That's the game.
That's when he gets on chat and says, "I was going to give you a hatchet, dick". And starts chastising me. He goes on and on about how nice he is to "noobs" yet carries a gun in case of "noobs". All I did was defend myself! I felt like Eddie Murphy in Beverly Hills Cop when he got arrested for being thrown through a window.
So I've made it my mission to destroy his base. I know where it is too as one of his buddies ratted him out to me this morning. "He's in the big base by the tower near the sphere." There is a large base between the Water Treatment Plant and the Sphere, so I'm guessing that's him, and would make sense considering where I ran into him.
It's funny, his friend tried to defend him by saying he really does give stuff to nakeds, then went on saying 99% of people with guns don't shoot nakeds. I asked him what game he was playing because that didn't describe Rust.
Anyway, since I can make C4 I'm going to try and setup a base in the North or NE part of the server. I'll attempt to get a foothold again, but if it doesn't go well, I may take off. Anyone is welcome to join me, but I think I'll also pop into our original server again as there were people on it this weekend. Although, I'll probably just hop on there to refresh everything.
Stranger, you might want to fool around on that server since the low pop means you can experiment and learn the game. Plus, Cake is busy this week, so won't be playing much. Troy might have internet today? And I doubt Gordo or TPR or anyone else that owns the game will be joining us.
Point being, my plan to get revenge will probably not work. But if you want to do things just to be complete assholes, hehe. Come join me. Although, not sure if I'll be on tonight. Tomorrow for certain.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
Let me add...
Cake told me he prefers servers with no C4. So if we wanted to move to another server... The problem is rockets and grenades can also be used.
Cake and I were on Saturday night.
If we went to an official server, there would be no cheating. End of story.
The problem is the official servers have 100 people running around.
You can find non-cheater servers, and in fact, they've added stuff to reduce cheating like server messages to the whole player base whenever an admin spawns something, but there's still some suspicious things.
However, some of the "cheating" might not be cheating, but rather a combination of server features and asshole play. For example: On Noob Island, it's entirely possible those folks weren't cheating. Instead, they had every blueprint and whenever they wiped, they simply kept them, as other servers do. So while we could jump on fresh, they'd have no resources or base after a wipe, but they'd have the knowledge to build anything they wanted. Combine that with non-stop raids on everyone else and their lead seems insurmountable. They pick certain players who will fluff their egos and they don't raid them to keep their population numbers high drawing in other players.
We've seen setups like that before. How they found their critics so quickly, I don't know. However, I do know that a really high server population isn't a good thing in this version of Rust. It's too easy to find bases and due to C4/grenades/rockets, too easy to raid them.
The game is still fun as shit, but you have to go in knowing that you're going to lose everything more than once.
Nah, it's not like it used to be. This is more abuse of power.
If you want to see how the game has changed, join the server where we're the biggest group. It's low pop, meaning you'll be pretty safe to play and learn, and there aren't any cheaters there.
Cake told me he prefers servers with no C4. So if we wanted to move to another server... The problem is rockets and grenades can also be used.
When you say we, do you mean you and Cake? cause he never got back on Friday night.
Cake and I were on Saturday night.
While I didn't like the thought of the "Friendlies" cheating, I sorta liked the idea of them being the bad guys and trying to fight against them. What are the chances that we find a server that doesn't have cheaters on it? You all would know that better than me with your experiences in the game but you did mention that it made a few others quit because it seems like it runs rampant on just about every server.
If we went to an official server, there would be no cheating. End of story.
The problem is the official servers have 100 people running around.
You can find non-cheater servers, and in fact, they've added stuff to reduce cheating like server messages to the whole player base whenever an admin spawns something, but there's still some suspicious things.
However, some of the "cheating" might not be cheating, but rather a combination of server features and asshole play. For example: On Noob Island, it's entirely possible those folks weren't cheating. Instead, they had every blueprint and whenever they wiped, they simply kept them, as other servers do. So while we could jump on fresh, they'd have no resources or base after a wipe, but they'd have the knowledge to build anything they wanted. Combine that with non-stop raids on everyone else and their lead seems insurmountable. They pick certain players who will fluff their egos and they don't raid them to keep their population numbers high drawing in other players.
We've seen setups like that before. How they found their critics so quickly, I don't know. However, I do know that a really high server population isn't a good thing in this version of Rust. It's too easy to find bases and due to C4/grenades/rockets, too easy to raid them.
The game is still fun as shit, but you have to go in knowing that you're going to lose everything more than once.
Cheaters are why I quit in the first place. Looks like nothing has changed.
Nah, it's not like it used to be. This is more abuse of power.
If you want to see how the game has changed, join the server where we're the biggest group. It's low pop, meaning you'll be pretty safe to play and learn, and there aren't any cheaters there.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
I think that's more in your head and because you're often late to the party.GORDON wrote:And no one is worried about the phenomenon where as soon as I join, everyone else quits?
Ark had a pretty short life span for everyone that hit out of nowhere.
AA we tried to recruit you for a looooooooooooong time and I think by the time you joined I was leaving.
Dungeon Defenders sucked pretty quickly and I think I joined after you guys were rolling on it.
You wouldn't even give Payday a shot. (And I offered you a free copy.)
LoL we played for 3 years straight.
MW:O I'm still playing. Not sure about Stranger and Cake.
Rust is years old, yet we're all still playing it, so...
I know what you mean though, some games seem to come and go quickly. All I can say is: If it's free or its one you already own, jump on while the iron is hot.
I'm currently not bored with Rust and I'll only speak for myself. Cake is playing, but has already messaged me to say he'll be mostly unavailable this week. Stranger is interested, but isn't on as often as everyone else(?). Troy doesn't have internet yet.
If nothing else, log onto Rust, head to !Chaos Island!, immediately kill yourself, and then spawn at the sleeping bag I provided for you.
The server is currently dead in terms of server population, so at the very least, you'll get yourself familiar with the basics of the new Rust. Build a house because it's COMPLETELY different from the last time you played. Figure out the different locations. Figure out what tools do what. Etc. There's a steep learning curve that you won't want to be climbing on a more hostile server. I'd even be happy to meet you there and give you a rundown of what's new since you last played.
If you want to take a break from LoL one night and update yourself with Rust stuff, let me know. Not saying you have to stick around, but you'll be better prepped for whenever the itch comes. I mean, they're still considered a beta...
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
The learning curve is still there, but it's never been easier to group up with your friends, figure out where you are, etc. Those were always the main complaints I had back in the day.
I've decided that Rust is designed in such a way that pure brute force or time spent can overcome any defenses you build. If you aren't willing to accept that everything you build won't last - either the server pop will die and your buildings will eventually drop from deterioration, or the server pop will go up, and you'll be providing content for wave after wave of people who want your stuff - it gets frustrating fast.
But it's a really fun game to play for a week. I loved doing the high pop servers early on after BP/server wipes - you have to get lucky, strike it rich through luck or murder, and then ride the wave until someone bigger comes along. It really is a blast.
Cheating is pretty damn frustrating though, but at least they are actively fighting it in a myriad of ways now.
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I've decided that Rust is designed in such a way that pure brute force or time spent can overcome any defenses you build. If you aren't willing to accept that everything you build won't last - either the server pop will die and your buildings will eventually drop from deterioration, or the server pop will go up, and you'll be providing content for wave after wave of people who want your stuff - it gets frustrating fast.
But it's a really fun game to play for a week. I loved doing the high pop servers early on after BP/server wipes - you have to get lucky, strike it rich through luck or murder, and then ride the wave until someone bigger comes along. It really is a blast.
Cheating is pretty damn frustrating though, but at least they are actively fighting it in a myriad of ways now.
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I'll be the first to admit. I've got a problem staying interested in games anymore, even thought I really like them.
I think part of it is there are so many games but so little time for me. So I just end up playing two or three games of League and am done.
I wanna play other games, but I still wanna play League because its still the most frustrating yet fun game for me to play. I'm like a masochist that just can't get away from the misery of League, some games are like a fist up the ass, while others are just so satisfying.
I think part of it is there are so many games but so little time for me. So I just end up playing two or three games of League and am done.
I wanna play other games, but I still wanna play League because its still the most frustrating yet fun game for me to play. I'm like a masochist that just can't get away from the misery of League, some games are like a fist up the ass, while others are just so satisfying.
WORLD CHAMPIONS!!
Are you sure?GORDON wrote:I played Payday. I found it interesting that it was basically a cop slaughtering game. But it is also exactly Left 4 Dead, and I got bored with that game long ago, so I only played one night.
Payday 2 is one of my favorite stealth games, where it is essential that you sneak around while also not looking suspicious. Some of the best missions if you slip up it's immediately mission over, not a big gunfight. The goal is to slip and and slip out with security being none the wiser. Was Payday 1 really that different?
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Gordo, if you want to get on this weekend and do some training on our low pop server, let me know. I'd be happy to give you a rundown to catch you up on the game.
Ditto for anyone else. TPR I know you enjoyed the building aspects and that server would be a great place for you to do new designs. The devs posted a honeycomb building on playrust.com that someone had come up with that would be a nightmare to raid.
And for those who haven't tried Rust, which is on sale now, it's kind of got something for everyone. Exploration, character development (besides learning BPs, there's a skill system coming), base building, FPS combat, PvE, PvP, etc. It's a really fun game that we keep coming back to, but it does have downsides. There have been cheaters in game, although it's nowhere near the issue it once was. If you're on a PvP server, you will be raided while offline and lose your stuff. Once you reach the pinnacle and have all the BPs and a massive base, it can get dull without the combat. But the weird thing is moving to a new server and losing all that makes it completely fresh again.
Anyway, I wound up getting on last night and found another server option. Folks are very well established here. In fact, there's a massive wall being built around the Water Treatment Plant that connects to a really big base. However, the map generated in an odd way putting almost everything down south. Thus, the north, where I spawned, is very low pop. I've been able to build a 3x1 base and it's already completely sheet metal. I'm going to explore the southern part of the map tonight and either move down there or expand my northern base. Having only 2 known neighbors means that I have little competition for airdrops... The folks on the server seem to be a mix of friendly and hostile. When I logged on there were around 26 people on and that number just grew and grew as the night went on. The server is "Rust Vanilla:NoobFriendly:ActiveAdmin" (No quotes and I'm not sure about spaces.).
Ditto for anyone else. TPR I know you enjoyed the building aspects and that server would be a great place for you to do new designs. The devs posted a honeycomb building on playrust.com that someone had come up with that would be a nightmare to raid.
And for those who haven't tried Rust, which is on sale now, it's kind of got something for everyone. Exploration, character development (besides learning BPs, there's a skill system coming), base building, FPS combat, PvE, PvP, etc. It's a really fun game that we keep coming back to, but it does have downsides. There have been cheaters in game, although it's nowhere near the issue it once was. If you're on a PvP server, you will be raided while offline and lose your stuff. Once you reach the pinnacle and have all the BPs and a massive base, it can get dull without the combat. But the weird thing is moving to a new server and losing all that makes it completely fresh again.
Anyway, I wound up getting on last night and found another server option. Folks are very well established here. In fact, there's a massive wall being built around the Water Treatment Plant that connects to a really big base. However, the map generated in an odd way putting almost everything down south. Thus, the north, where I spawned, is very low pop. I've been able to build a 3x1 base and it's already completely sheet metal. I'm going to explore the southern part of the map tonight and either move down there or expand my northern base. Having only 2 known neighbors means that I have little competition for airdrops... The folks on the server seem to be a mix of friendly and hostile. When I logged on there were around 26 people on and that number just grew and grew as the night went on. The server is "Rust Vanilla:NoobFriendly:ActiveAdmin" (No quotes and I'm not sure about spaces.).
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
It all boils down to your style of play and what exactly you're looking for out of the game.
Let me break it all down...
There are three different types of server:
Official (Run by Facepunch) - You're less likely to see cheating here and they have both PvP and non-PvP options, but the servers are FULL most nights. We're talking 100 players.
Community - These are supposed to be the same as Official servers, only run by the community. Some will have themes like role playing and others will be exactly like Official and they're called "Vanilla" or "Plain".
Modded - Servers run by the community where the game has been modded in some way.
The first is explained enough above, but the second two require more.
Basically, the servers Facepunch doesn't run will have some variations and also potential abuse/cheating.
Starting with the abuse/cheating, basically if a person's buddy runs the server, they can spawn items at will and spy on people. A lot of community servers won't have this, but if you get on one that does...it won't be a lot of fun despite the abusers trying to hide it. Facepunch has recently added messages that go out to all players when admins spawn things, but if they spawn everything on day 1 or late when nobody is on...
As for the mods, they can almost be anything. There are mods that stack items so you can put 1,000+ wood in one square rather than just 1,000 max. Mods like that make game play a bit easier and can be found on Community servers. Or there are mods like the one you saw that shows you your locations, the number of other people online, the number of players sleeping, if the plane or chopper is out, etc.
Modded servers can also offer kits for new or recently dead players that gives them some starting items. They can increase your crafting speed or how many resources you get when mining. They can make airdrops happen 4 times a day or lower the power of the chopper. Etc. Etc.
I even saw a server once with police, a town, and a crime system where you were awarded points based on your actions.
Go through the server lists tonight and each one has a short description of what they're offering (btw, "TP" means teleport and while that's cool when you're running errands, it's not cool when your enemies use it.).
As for what you should look for personally, it again depends on you.
Troy wants a server with no real rules and LOTS of people because he wants the violence.
Cake wants a server with LOTS of people, but could live without the constant raids that come with such servers. So while he wants a bunch of people, he also would like server rules so that C4 isn't a thing.
I like building and exploring more than the combat in Rust (my feelings on combat in Rust are a whole separate post). But I also know that a server without many people will ultimately be boring once you've explored the research tree. So I want a server with just enough people to where there's danger, but I'm not getting raided every night.
Oh! When a server was wiped last is also important. Picture Rust as a 30 day game. Every 30 days the old game is ended and a new one starts. That's what wipes are. They reset everything, even the layout of the map. However, some servers allow folks to keep the blueprints they've researched. That gives them an unfair advantage over anyone new coming on.
The server I talk about in my last post fits most of us. Yes, there's C4 and yes it's been a while since they've wiped, so we're playing from behind, BUT the map is laid out in such a way that nobody seems to travel up North. Thus, we have our run of the place and can build without too much fear of raids. Meanwhile, there are raids and fights going on all the time in the southern part of the map where all the "star sites" are located.
I guess that's a basic rundown of the different servers. Let me know if you have other questions. I'll be on tonight between 9-10 if you want to get into TS and discuss.
Let me break it all down...
There are three different types of server:
Official (Run by Facepunch) - You're less likely to see cheating here and they have both PvP and non-PvP options, but the servers are FULL most nights. We're talking 100 players.
Community - These are supposed to be the same as Official servers, only run by the community. Some will have themes like role playing and others will be exactly like Official and they're called "Vanilla" or "Plain".
Modded - Servers run by the community where the game has been modded in some way.
The first is explained enough above, but the second two require more.
Basically, the servers Facepunch doesn't run will have some variations and also potential abuse/cheating.
Starting with the abuse/cheating, basically if a person's buddy runs the server, they can spawn items at will and spy on people. A lot of community servers won't have this, but if you get on one that does...it won't be a lot of fun despite the abusers trying to hide it. Facepunch has recently added messages that go out to all players when admins spawn things, but if they spawn everything on day 1 or late when nobody is on...
As for the mods, they can almost be anything. There are mods that stack items so you can put 1,000+ wood in one square rather than just 1,000 max. Mods like that make game play a bit easier and can be found on Community servers. Or there are mods like the one you saw that shows you your locations, the number of other people online, the number of players sleeping, if the plane or chopper is out, etc.
Modded servers can also offer kits for new or recently dead players that gives them some starting items. They can increase your crafting speed or how many resources you get when mining. They can make airdrops happen 4 times a day or lower the power of the chopper. Etc. Etc.
I even saw a server once with police, a town, and a crime system where you were awarded points based on your actions.
Go through the server lists tonight and each one has a short description of what they're offering (btw, "TP" means teleport and while that's cool when you're running errands, it's not cool when your enemies use it.).
As for what you should look for personally, it again depends on you.
Troy wants a server with no real rules and LOTS of people because he wants the violence.
Cake wants a server with LOTS of people, but could live without the constant raids that come with such servers. So while he wants a bunch of people, he also would like server rules so that C4 isn't a thing.
I like building and exploring more than the combat in Rust (my feelings on combat in Rust are a whole separate post). But I also know that a server without many people will ultimately be boring once you've explored the research tree. So I want a server with just enough people to where there's danger, but I'm not getting raided every night.
Oh! When a server was wiped last is also important. Picture Rust as a 30 day game. Every 30 days the old game is ended and a new one starts. That's what wipes are. They reset everything, even the layout of the map. However, some servers allow folks to keep the blueprints they've researched. That gives them an unfair advantage over anyone new coming on.
The server I talk about in my last post fits most of us. Yes, there's C4 and yes it's been a while since they've wiped, so we're playing from behind, BUT the map is laid out in such a way that nobody seems to travel up North. Thus, we have our run of the place and can build without too much fear of raids. Meanwhile, there are raids and fights going on all the time in the southern part of the map where all the "star sites" are located.
I guess that's a basic rundown of the different servers. Let me know if you have other questions. I'll be on tonight between 9-10 if you want to get into TS and discuss.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
We have internet, but nowhere to put my rig yet that's not also where we eat - so I'm game for whatever, but I won't really be able to play with any earnest until this weekend when my new desk arrives.
I'll be game to ride out a big wipe day though. those are always the best. I haven't checked recently if any new patches will require such a thing, tho.
e: Shipping says the desk won't get here until Monday - so no gaming this week I suppose.
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I'll be game to ride out a big wipe day though. those are always the best. I haven't checked recently if any new patches will require such a thing, tho.
e: Shipping says the desk won't get here until Monday - so no gaming this week I suppose.
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Malcolm already bitch slapped you, so I won't bother. However, why are you hijacking the Rust thread?GORDON wrote:I just got done taking a huge Leisher... and then I wiped.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell