GORDON wrote:And then they lie to themselves about what happened, and they lie to themselves about what they wanted and what they did to get it, and another feminist is born to further the myth of the campus rape culture.
Goddamn. Bitter much?
Yeah, a little bit.
1. Been on the receiving end of a bullshit accusation.
2. Have a son who will have to deal with this shit within a decade.
3. Have a hard time believing that a "rape culture" exists in which young middle class men are going around committing one of our society's most heinous crimes with near impunity, and not just a bunch of women feeling sex shame and lying. Usually "the most simple explanation" is good enough around here. I'll go ahead and throw my "90%" number on it. 90% of college rape accusations are probably bullshit. Everybody lies so there's no way to know, but go back to the beginning of #3.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
90% of college rape accusations are probably bullshit.
On the one hand that seems excessive. But on the other hand 90% of everything about college is bullshit, so why not this, too?
If 90% of everything is bullshit, isn't 90% of the 90% theory also bullshit?
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
TPRJones wrote:
On the one hand that seems excessive. But on the other hand 90% of everything about college is bullshit, so why not this, too?
If 90% of everything is bullshit, isn't 90% of the 90% theory also bullshit?
Unless my usage of it is the time when it is in the 10% of non-bullshit usage, which it probably is. 90% chance.
Your theory is 90% bullshit. So I'm 90% right. I enjoy recursive arguments.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Think of it like this G, college is preparing your son for how the cops and gov't will treat him once he gets out. Wait until fratboys can get locked up for 72 hours without reprieve at will.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Frat suspended. I have no problem with this. They did something immeasurably stupid.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Not much more faux-alpha than a man stating to you, in front of your father, that he wants to fuck you, and possibly your mother, too.
Anonymously hanging a banner from a balcony is about the least alpha male thing one can do.
And for the record, being a dick does not equal being an alpha male.
We've already provided elsewhere the evidence that only about 2% of these girls are going to be lesbians.
I expect 10% of any group to veer away from norms, so 90% is safe.
Using your own statement, we're already down to 88%, so...
Am I the expert? I don't know. Maybe. But I didn't just come out and state the other guy could "argue but still be wrong."
No you made an outlandish statement, expected it to be accepted as fact, and when someone points out that it probably is bullshit you are dismissive and take personal shots.
Global Beauty Market to hit $265B in 2017.
Wedding industry is worth billions.
Fashion industry: $1.5 trillion.
Vogue magazine: $35 million. Couldn't find the Cosmo numbers. Know others exist but could not think of any other woman magazines to research.
I feel safe to also say that I bet 90% of the people spending money on the above things are women, excluding the weddings which are obviously money being spent ON women.
Basic DNA rules say genes are selfish and want to replicate and 18 year old chicks are prime reproductive fodder.
None of which is relevant to douchebags hanging banners from a frat house.
I could post stats about your interest in guns and violent video games, but it doesn't make you a murderer.
Hell, they are at the top of the only structured social ladder than any campus has.
Frats and sororities are not viewed in the same light as previous generations.
Have a hard time believing that a "rape culture" exists in which young middle class men are going around committing one of our society's most heinous crimes with near impunity, and not just a bunch of women feeling sex shame and lying.
I agree with you mostly. It's the "90%" part that I completely disagree with.
I think the 90% (for apparently all subjects involving women) is based on your own experiences, fear for your kid's future, and your bitterness at women. Living with your mother-in-law will do that.
"Initial reports regarding the banners indicated that no fraternity member had involvement with the
banners," Sigma Nu Executive Director Brad Beacham said in a statement.
What a jackass. Yeah, frats are known for allowing non-members complete access to their houses.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
Have a hard time believing that a "rape culture" exists in which young middle class men are going around committing one of our society's most heinous crimes with near impunity, and not just a bunch of women feeling sex shame and lying.
I agree with you mostly. It's the "90%" part that I completely disagree with.
I think the 90% (for apparently all subjects involving women) is based on your own experiences, fear for your kid's future, and your bitterness at women. Living with your mother-in-law will do that.
You may be right, but I stand by my gut instinct that I can't prove against your gut instinct that you can't prove. I think there is a shitload of lying going on.
"Initial reports regarding the banners indicated that no fraternity member had involvement with the
banners," Sigma Nu Executive Director Brad Beacham said in a statement.
What a jackass. Yeah, frats are known for allowing non-members complete access to their houses.
When I see banners like that on move-in day at BGSU, they are on the private rental houses across the street from the campus.
Not much more faux-alpha than a man stating to you, in front of your father, that he wants to fuck you, and possibly your mother, too.
Anonymously hanging a banner from a balcony is about the least alpha male thing one can do.
And for the record, being a dick does not equal being an alpha male.
Which is why I said "perceived" alpha male, from the perspective of a dumb teen girl.
We've already provided elsewhere the evidence that only about 2% of these girls are going to be lesbians.
I expect 10% of any group to veer away from norms, so 90% is safe.
Using your own statement, we're already down to 88%, so...
Not unless the 2% of lesbians are included in the 10% of those who aren't the norm, which they obviously are.
Am I the expert? I don't know. Maybe. But I didn't just come out and state the other guy could "argue but still be wrong."
No you made an outlandish statement, expected it to be accepted as fact, and when someone points out that it probably is bullshit you are dismissive and take personal shots.
I didn't see it as a personal shot I saw it as the only way to suggest that I noticed you claiming to be an expert by shutting down whatever it is I might have had to say. I guess I could have typed all <---- those words instead.
Global Beauty Market to hit $265B in 2017.
Wedding industry is worth billions.
Fashion industry: $1.5 trillion.
Vogue magazine: $35 million. Couldn't find the Cosmo numbers. Know others exist but could not think of any other woman magazines to research.
I feel safe to also say that I bet 90% of the people spending money on the above things are women, excluding the weddings which are obviously money being spent ON women.
Basic DNA rules say genes are selfish and want to replicate and 18 year old chicks are prime reproductive fodder.
None of which is relevant to douchebags hanging banners from a frat house.
Obviously not, I posted those numbers in direct response to your "most girls though dumb aren't sluts (or whatever) and aren't looking for the attention of men." Those numbers were there to support my claim that yeah, women are spending a shitload of money to try to get the attention of a partner. You are free to present evidence to the contrary. Perhaps statistics about how more women are entering convents or something.
Hell, they are at the top of the only structured social ladder than any campus has.
Frats and sororities are not viewed in the same light as previous generations.
I can't speak to that. You may be right, I don't know.
I already admitted my bias, I think YOU are arguing from a position of being a former man-whore who is now the father of 3 little girls.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Obviously not, I posted those numbers in direct response to your "most girls though dumb aren't sluts (or whatever) and aren't looking for the attention of men."
Thinking that 90% is too high is not the same as claiming the majority of the opposite is true.
Or has the whole conversation just been about what was hyperbole to begin with?
Hell, they are at the top of the only structured social ladder than any campus has.
Missed this one before. This is now generally only true of those who are members and an even smaller subset of the children of those members, with most everyone else considering these organizations to be at best pointless or more likely at least a mild pain in the ass.
Since less than 10% of college students are members of a fraternity or sorority, it is likely that less than 10% of incoming freshman girls have any connection or previous association that would lead them to consider those fratholes "at the top of the only structured social ladder".
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Those numbers were there to support my claim that yeah, women are spending a shitload of money to try to get the attention of a partner.
Eh, women (and men, for that matter) are spending a shitload of money trying to mold themselves into what's been recorded into the "societal expectations" part of their brain.
Wedding industry is worth billions.
That's not getting your partner's attention. That's getting everyone else's attention so you can rub in their face how fucking successful you are.
Vogue magazine: $35 million. Couldn't find the Cosmo numbers. Know others exist but could not think of any other woman magazines to research.
So they can pollute the "societal expectations" part of their brain with what everyone else, aka the mag's editors, thinks.
Fashion industry: $1.5 trillion.
Not necessarily about attracting someone else. You're free to be selfish and worry about how you look. Just because you want to present a decent version of yourself to someone doesn't mean you want to fuck them.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Not necessarily about attracting someone else. You're free to be selfish and worry about how you look. Just because you want to present a decent version of yourself to someone doesn't mean you want to fuck them.
Yeah but 90% of it is about sex.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Not necessarily about attracting someone else. You're free to be selfish and worry about how you look. Just because you want to present a decent version of yourself to someone doesn't mean you want to fuck them.
Yeah but 90% of it is about sex.
I disagree. It's about projecting what's inside you to the outside world via clothing and fabric-y things. If what's inside you is 90% sex, then that's what gets expressed. Sometimes, it's spite, or don't women wear certain shit around other women as a power play anymore?
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Malcolm wrote:
Not necessarily about attracting someone else. You're free to be selfish and worry about how you look. Just because you want to present a decent version of yourself to someone doesn't mean you want to fuck them.
Yeah but 90% of it is about sex.
I disagree. It's about projecting what's inside you to the outside world via clothing and fabric-y things. If what's inside you is 90% sex, then that's what gets expressed. Sometimes, it's spite, or don't women wear certain shit around other women as a power play anymore?
90% of everything is sex.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
You're right. That's 90% of your problem with you mother-in-law. You secretly want to have sex with her and you can't take the temptation of being under the same roof.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
You're right. That's 90% of your problem with you mother-in-law. You secretly want to have sex with her and you can't the temptation of being under the same roof.
That's in the 10% that isn't sex.
You people seem to have a problem with your percentages... "All" is 100%. "Most" is 90%, and does not mean "all."
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
You may be right, but I stand by my gut instinct that I can't prove against your gut instinct that you can't prove.
Fair.
I think there is a shitload of lying going on.
Yeah, you put a lot of the blame on women, and I don't disagree that some lie and society always takes their side, but there are a metric fuckton of jackass guys out there. I mean, when it comes to violent crimes that aren't rape men dominate. We dominate the rape stats too, but I wanted to point out that without them, we're still the assholes.
When I see banners like that on move-in day at BGSU, they are on the private rental houses across the street from the campus.
Frat boys are very clicky. Off campus or not, they stick with their own like incestuous clan members. And this is a non-point since they were discovered to be behind it.
Which is why I said "perceived" alpha male, from the perspective of a dumb teen girl.
You realize you have a major bias against women right?
Not unless the 2% of lesbians are included in the 10% of those who aren't the norm, which they obviously are.
Two things here: First, now you're saying being gay isn't normal. Second, the number of women who have self-respect and a good upbringing would stun you.
I didn't see it as a personal shot I saw it as the only way to suggest that I noticed you claiming to be an expert by shutting down whatever it is I might have had to say.
Well, you claimed to be said expert when you threw the 90% stat at us. Also, my statement was clearly written in a humorous tone and quoting a popular TV show.
Obviously not, I posted those numbers in direct response to your "most girls though dumb aren't sluts (or whatever) and aren't looking for the attention of men." Those numbers were there to support my claim that yeah, women are spending a shitload of money to try to get the attention of a partner.
What does what women do to make themselves feel good about themselves have anything to do with anything? Are you seriously making the "she brought it upon herself dressing like that" argument?
That's also not the argument I was presenting. In fact, I even state that eventually all straight women will seek the attention of a man.
I already admitted my bias, I think YOU are arguing from a position of being a former man-whore who is now the father of 3 little girls.
Of course I am. I am very familiar with women. I spent my life flirting with and bedding them. I know what makes them tick. Dictionary Dave used to go nuts about how I could get them to break things off with me and walk away with their dignity intact and believing it was their idea.
I will teach my girls how to read into a guy's intentions, how to not put themselves in bad situations, and how to take responsibility for their own actions.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
GORDON wrote:2. Have a son who will have to deal with this shit within a decade.
You could steer him toward trade or engineering schools which are actually valuable yet severely underpopulated by women... or the Marines, who will hold his hand (as it were) until he has some life experience.
